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Mark Rutherford
19-Oct-2007, 12:52 PM
You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?

VDF 2008?
How about a feature set?
Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
wheels are turning :)

Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Dave Robinson
19-Oct-2007, 01:04 PM
IIRC VDF releases have usually happened on a Friday, they probably released on a Thursday so they could spent the entire day at Mangos...... ;)



>>> Mark Rutherford<mark@maunzelectronics.com> 10/19/2007 12:52:53 PM >>>
You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?

VDF 2008?
How about a feature set?
Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
wheels are turning :)

Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Marco
21-Oct-2007, 10:45 PM
Hi Mark,

Not sure if this has changed but DAW has spoken about 12.2 in the past
roadmaps.

Cheers,
Marco


Mark Rutherford wrote:
> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>
> VDF 2008?
> How about a feature set?
> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
> wheels are turning :)
>
> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Martin den Heyer
22-Oct-2007, 08:57 AM
Hopefully VDF.Net

"Mark Rutherford" <mark@maunzelectronics.com> wrote in message
news:wRmJhjnEIHA.4204@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>
> VDF 2008?
> How about a feature set?
> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
> wheels are turning :)
>
> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Dave Robinson
22-Oct-2007, 10:52 AM
do you mean VDF.Mono? <g>

>>> Martin den Heyer<x@y.com> 10/22/2007 8:57:15 AM >>>
Hopefully VDF.Net

"Mark Rutherford" <mark@maunzelectronics.com> wrote in message
news:wRmJhjnEIHA.4204@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>
> VDF 2008?
> How about a feature set?
> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
> wheels are turning :)
>
> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Mark Rutherford
22-Oct-2007, 11:31 AM
VDF runs in it's own virtual machine tho...
Don't know much about it, tho :)

Seems that adding all these ActiveX controls only gave them something to
'release' per se.

Developing these things in house would have taken a few C++ guys a good
long time and would not fit into their release schedule.
I suspect there are other plans brewing in the long term they are
keeping secret.


Dave Robinson wrote:
> do you mean VDF.Mono? <g>
>
>>>> Martin den Heyer<x@y.com> 10/22/2007 8:57:15 AM >>>
> Hopefully VDF.Net
>
> "Mark Rutherford" <mark@maunzelectronics.com> wrote in message
> news:wRmJhjnEIHA.4204@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
>> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>>
>> VDF 2008?
>> How about a feature set?
>> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
>> wheels are turning :)
>>
>> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?
>
>
>

Peter van Mil
23-Oct-2007, 04:19 PM
Maybe Unicode support? I know it is a long term project with a big
effort and little (visible) results.

Peter van Mil

Mark Rutherford schreef:
> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>
> VDF 2008?
> How about a feature set?
> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
> wheels are turning :)
>
> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Marco
23-Oct-2007, 06:37 PM
Hi Guys,

From my Synergy notes I found that DAW announced that 12.2 would be mainly:
- DBBuilder build into the Studio
- More codeJock support

They were very secretive about VDF Next and its naming...

As the www.vdf.net domain is still available for about 10k, I don't
think it is going to be called that... :(

Cheers,
Marco

Peter van Mil wrote:
> Maybe Unicode support? I know it is a long term project with a big
> effort and little (visible) results.
>
> Peter van Mil
>
> Mark Rutherford schreef:
>> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
>> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>>
>> VDF 2008?
>> How about a feature set?
>> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
>> wheels are turning :)
>>
>> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Martin den Heyer
24-Oct-2007, 02:37 AM
They might call it vdf2008, I'd be perfectly happy with that. As long as it
generates .Net code.

As long as we're assured that our considerable investments are secured.
Afterall, COM seems to be a dead end.

Martin

"Marco Kuipers" <marco.kuipers@nci.com.au> wrote in message
news:XcxC72cFIHA.2320@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Hi Guys,
>
> From my Synergy notes I found that DAW announced that 12.2 would be
> mainly:
> - DBBuilder build into the Studio
> - More codeJock support
>
> They were very secretive about VDF Next and its naming...
>
> As the www.vdf.net domain is still available for about 10k, I don't think
> it is going to be called that... :(
>
> Cheers,
> Marco
>
> Peter van Mil wrote:
>> Maybe Unicode support? I know it is a long term project with a big effort
>> and little (visible) results.
>>
>> Peter van Mil
>>
>> Mark Rutherford schreef:
>>> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
>>> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>>>
>>> VDF 2008?
>>> How about a feature set?
>>> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
>>> wheels are turning :)
>>>
>>> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

wila
24-Oct-2007, 03:04 AM
Marco,

Marco Kuipers wrote:
> As the www.vdf.net domain is still available for about 10k, I don't
> think it is going to be called that... :(

[wil] Heheheh...I think you missed a small but interesting detail. The
current product web site is visualdataflex.com - not vdf.com - so with
that analogy the web site domain would become: visualdataflex.net
Now guess who owns that? ;)

Here's the partial output of a whois query:
Domain name: visualdataflex.net

Registrant:
DATA ACCESS DO BRASIL LTDA (SROW-506481)
....
....
SAO PAULO SP

I would say it is still entirely possible :D

--
Wil


>
> Cheers,
> Marco
>
> Peter van Mil wrote:
>> Maybe Unicode support? I know it is a long term project with a big
>> effort and little (visible) results.
>>
>> Peter van Mil
>>
>> Mark Rutherford schreef:
>>> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
>>> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>>>
>>> VDF 2008?
>>> How about a feature set?
>>> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
>>> wheels are turning :)
>>>
>>> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Aaron Smith
24-Oct-2007, 09:06 AM
Martin den Heyer wrote:
> They might call it vdf2008, I'd be perfectly happy with that. As long as
> it generates .Net code.
>
> As long as we're assured that our considerable investments are secured.
> Afterall, COM seems to be a dead end.
>
> Martin

As per Microsoft's Windows Vista FAQ:
Q: What is the future of COM, OLE and in-place activation?

A: All of COM and OLE that you've come to know and love will live on in
Windows Vista, although it won't be extended. COM and OLE aren't "dead,"
but they are "done."
-
COM will be needed for many years, and I'm not just saying 2 or 3. After
all, Office is all completely COM based, as is Internet Explorer. They
won't be re-writing those applications any time soon.

For Windows, and now it seems Linux as well, .Net/Mono (and Java, of
course) are going to be the popular frameworks and the ones most vendors
will support first.

I must say, I love .Net and what it offers. But can DataAccess really
change Visual DataFlex to target .Net or Mono? It seems like it would be
years of development work to get it to work right... Not to mention
having to re-implement COM Interop under .Net/Mono to support existing
products. Which, that's another point... What about existing
applications developed in VDF? I don't think they would be able to be
easily upgraded to make it an instant .Net/Mono application...

Also, their current business model of run-time licensing would probably
not work anymore, either...

I'd love to see them do it. It would be a HUGE bonus and skyrocket VDF
into mainstream, but realistically, I don't know if they could do it in
a reasonable amount of time.

And, this is just my opinion, but if they had to choose .Net or Mono, I
would rather see .Net instead of Mono. As great as mono is, and as far
along as it has come, it still is pretty far behind. The plus side of
Mono, though, is multi-platform support. That alone could make VDF more
of a contender to, or even beat out, Microsoft development products.

Martin den Heyer
24-Oct-2007, 09:08 AM
Hear hear

"Aaron Smith" <thespirit@smithcentral.net> wrote in message
news:qHxDrbkFIHA.2312@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Martin den Heyer wrote:
>> They might call it vdf2008, I'd be perfectly happy with that. As long as
>> it generates .Net code.
>>
>> As long as we're assured that our considerable investments are secured.
>> Afterall, COM seems to be a dead end.
>>
>> Martin
>
> As per Microsoft's Windows Vista FAQ:
> Q: What is the future of COM, OLE and in-place activation?
>
> A: All of COM and OLE that you've come to know and love will live on in
> Windows Vista, although it won't be extended. COM and OLE aren't "dead,"
> but they are "done."
> -
> COM will be needed for many years, and I'm not just saying 2 or 3. After
> all, Office is all completely COM based, as is Internet Explorer. They
> won't be re-writing those applications any time soon.
>
> For Windows, and now it seems Linux as well, .Net/Mono (and Java, of
> course) are going to be the popular frameworks and the ones most vendors
> will support first.
>
> I must say, I love .Net and what it offers. But can DataAccess really
> change Visual DataFlex to target .Net or Mono? It seems like it would be
> years of development work to get it to work right... Not to mention having
> to re-implement COM Interop under .Net/Mono to support existing products.
> Which, that's another point... What about existing applications developed
> in VDF? I don't think they would be able to be easily upgraded to make it
> an instant .Net/Mono application...
>
> Also, their current business model of run-time licensing would probably
> not work anymore, either...
>
> I'd love to see them do it. It would be a HUGE bonus and skyrocket VDF
> into mainstream, but realistically, I don't know if they could do it in a
> reasonable amount of time.
>
> And, this is just my opinion, but if they had to choose .Net or Mono, I
> would rather see .Net instead of Mono. As great as mono is, and as far
> along as it has come, it still is pretty far behind. The plus side of
> Mono, though, is multi-platform support. That alone could make VDF more of
> a contender to, or even beat out, Microsoft development products.

seanyboy
16-Nov-2007, 06:44 AM
The biggest problem with Dataflex is that there's so few people developing in it.

If I ever need to get a different VDF job, I'm screwed.
If I need to hire another dataflex programmer, I'm screwed.

If I had enough skills in any other language than dataflex I would have deserted it long
ago. As it is, I'm stuck here with multiple MLOCs and the knowledge that one day, because
there isn't a big enough dataflex community, I'm going to have to spend years re-tooling.

Personally, I don't care what Data Access do to the product as long as they increase the
user base. I don't care about JSON or proper dbGrids or .NET. Stop development of the
product and concentrate on marketing. Make screencasts of people producing usuable systems
in 20 minutes. Spend some money on providing cheap Webapp hosting. Get people out into the
blogosphere talking about webapp & VDF.

Ach - I didn't want to rant here, but that's how its turning out.

Mark Rutherford wrote:
> You guys at DAW have a roadmap for 1x?
> Is the next release going to be 12.2 or 13?
>
> VDF 2008?
> How about a feature set?
> Yeah, I know it was just released yesterday but.. come on I know the
> wheels are turning :)
>
> Got any hints for us as to what surprises lurk in the future?

Aaron Smith
16-Nov-2007, 09:17 AM
seanyboy wrote:
> The biggest problem with Dataflex is that there's so few people
> developing in it.
>
> If I ever need to get a different VDF job, I'm screwed.
> If I need to hire another dataflex programmer, I'm screwed.
>
> If I had enough skills in any other language than dataflex I would have
> deserted it long ago. As it is, I'm stuck here with multiple MLOCs and
> the knowledge that one day, because there isn't a big enough dataflex
> community, I'm going to have to spend years re-tooling.
>
> Personally, I don't care what Data Access do to the product as long as
> they increase the user base. I don't care about JSON or proper dbGrids
> or .NET. Stop development of the product and concentrate on marketing.
> Make screencasts of people producing usuable systems in 20 minutes.
> Spend some money on providing cheap Webapp hosting. Get people out into
> the blogosphere talking about webapp & VDF.
>
> Ach - I didn't want to rant here, but that's how its turning out.

You bring up some very valid points. However, I must also play devils
advocate... Market what? A RAD tool? There are a lot of them out there,
and with a lot of the latest changes in .Net, it's not a valid argument
any more. While some people here will disagree with that, you have to
dive into the .Net runtime and the newest Visual Studio (2005+) to see
what it offers.

Now, on the other hand, if you were to bring to market a RAD tool that
supports, at least, .Net, now you have something people can get excited
about. I'm sorry to say, but for the most part, the RAD fad is dead. Now
it's about making the current RAD tools pretty and technologically
advanced. The tools like VB.Net and C# have gotten there. VDF has to get
there too in order for it to increase the user base, period.

If not with .Net, then with some other technology that developers can
get excited about. However, you also have to keep in mind, that for the
most part, COM is dying off. In the future, it will not be an option. So
what happens then? A lot of people will have already jumped ship, but
the ones that didn't are going to be really limited with what they can
do, unless they know the other languages to be able to write interfaces,
and that's a HUGE if because there is no way to know if there even WILL
be the ability to write interfaces to older COM components.

I still think, even though it's not as complete, that Mono is a valid
alternative. Mono apps don't seem to have that "flair" that other .Net
apps do, as far as user interface, but the cross-platform compatibility
would be a HUGE, no, INCREDIBLE, selling feature. That in and of itself
would be marketable way more than the current offerings, by a far margin.

But that's just my 2 cents. :)

John Sutton
16-Nov-2007, 10:11 AM
yeah, and Cobol is gonna die also.....

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:17:56 -0500, Aaron Smith
<thespirit@smithcentral.net> wrote:

>seanyboy wrote:
>> The biggest problem with Dataflex is that there's so few people
>> developing in it.
>>
>> If I ever need to get a different VDF job, I'm screwed.
>> If I need to hire another dataflex programmer, I'm screwed.
>>
>> If I had enough skills in any other language than dataflex I would have
>> deserted it long ago. As it is, I'm stuck here with multiple MLOCs and
>> the knowledge that one day, because there isn't a big enough dataflex
>> community, I'm going to have to spend years re-tooling.
>>
>> Personally, I don't care what Data Access do to the product as long as
>> they increase the user base. I don't care about JSON or proper dbGrids
>> or .NET. Stop development of the product and concentrate on marketing.
>> Make screencasts of people producing usuable systems in 20 minutes.
>> Spend some money on providing cheap Webapp hosting. Get people out into
>> the blogosphere talking about webapp & VDF.
>>
>> Ach - I didn't want to rant here, but that's how its turning out.
>
>You bring up some very valid points. However, I must also play devils
>advocate... Market what? A RAD tool? There are a lot of them out there,
>and with a lot of the latest changes in .Net, it's not a valid argument
>any more. While some people here will disagree with that, you have to
>dive into the .Net runtime and the newest Visual Studio (2005+) to see
>what it offers.
>
>Now, on the other hand, if you were to bring to market a RAD tool that
>supports, at least, .Net, now you have something people can get excited
>about. I'm sorry to say, but for the most part, the RAD fad is dead. Now
>it's about making the current RAD tools pretty and technologically
>advanced. The tools like VB.Net and C# have gotten there. VDF has to get
>there too in order for it to increase the user base, period.
>
>If not with .Net, then with some other technology that developers can
>get excited about. However, you also have to keep in mind, that for the
>most part, COM is dying off. In the future, it will not be an option. So
>what happens then? A lot of people will have already jumped ship, but
>the ones that didn't are going to be really limited with what they can
>do, unless they know the other languages to be able to write interfaces,
>and that's a HUGE if because there is no way to know if there even WILL
>be the ability to write interfaces to older COM components.
>
>I still think, even though it's not as complete, that Mono is a valid
>alternative. Mono apps don't seem to have that "flair" that other .Net
>apps do, as far as user interface, but the cross-platform compatibility
>would be a HUGE, no, INCREDIBLE, selling feature. That in and of itself
>would be marketable way more than the current offerings, by a far margin.
>
>But that's just my 2 cents. :)

Aaron Smith
16-Nov-2007, 10:43 AM
John Sutton wrote:
> yeah, and Cobol is gonna die also.....
>
>> You bring up some very valid points. However, I must also play devils
>> advocate... Market what? A RAD tool? There are a lot of them out there,
>> and with a lot of the latest changes in .Net, it's not a valid argument
>> any more. While some people here will disagree with that, you have to
>> dive into the .Net runtime and the newest Visual Studio (2005+) to see
>> what it offers.
>>
>> Now, on the other hand, if you were to bring to market a RAD tool that
>> supports, at least, .Net, now you have something people can get excited
>> about. I'm sorry to say, but for the most part, the RAD fad is dead. Now
>> it's about making the current RAD tools pretty and technologically
>> advanced. The tools like VB.Net and C# have gotten there. VDF has to get
>> there too in order for it to increase the user base, period.
>>
>> If not with .Net, then with some other technology that developers can
>> get excited about. However, you also have to keep in mind, that for the
>> most part, COM is dying off. In the future, it will not be an option. So
>> what happens then? A lot of people will have already jumped ship, but
>> the ones that didn't are going to be really limited with what they can
>> do, unless they know the other languages to be able to write interfaces,
>> and that's a HUGE if because there is no way to know if there even WILL
>> be the ability to write interfaces to older COM components.
>>
>> I still think, even though it's not as complete, that Mono is a valid
>> alternative. Mono apps don't seem to have that "flair" that other .Net
>> apps do, as far as user interface, but the cross-platform compatibility
>> would be a HUGE, no, INCREDIBLE, selling feature. That in and of itself
>> would be marketable way more than the current offerings, by a far margin.
>>
>> But that's just my 2 cents. :)
>

Cobol isn't written by one specific company... So if one cobol compiler
manufacturer goes out of business, the language still survives...

I wasn't talking about computer languages either, though. So the
argument of Cobol vs. COM is just plain nonsense.

Com is different in the respect that it's an older technology that has
been completely replaced by another framework. Support will be there for
the next 5 - 10 years. After that, who knows if it will even be
supported on Windows. Even if it is, do you think 3rd party control
manufacturers will bother creating COM components if the market doesn't
warrant it? Being stuck with the few and far between companies that are
doing it just for the niche market is not a good situation, at all. Do
comparisons of the companies that are really making great strides with
developer controls/software. Are they still supporting COM? Most are,
but at what cost? Look at the differences between their COM components
and the .Net components. I think CodeJock is one of the few companies I
have seen that are still making really good looking COM controls. There
is a reason for that too. COM is no longer going to be updated. Any new
things that come out in Windows that the developer can take advantage
of, will probably not be supported through COM. Take for instance the
..Net technologies of WCF, WPF, etc. No way you will get those to work
using COM. So what do you do? Stay with the outdated and never work with
the new technologies? Kind of short sighted, in my opinion.

Dave Robinson
16-Nov-2007, 12:11 PM
>>I wasn't talking about computer languages either, though. So the
>>argument of Cobol vs. COM is just plain nonsense

I suspect John was in Friday Humour mode, Garret's taking the day off <g>

John Sutton
19-Nov-2007, 09:50 AM
Mr. Holmes I presume.....

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:11:48 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
kirkfreeport.net> wrote:

>>>I wasn't talking about computer languages either, though. So the
>>>argument of Cobol vs. COM is just plain nonsense
>
>I suspect John was in Friday Humour mode, Garret's taking the day off <g>

Dave Robinson
19-Nov-2007, 11:17 AM
Actually, you can call me Moriarty...... :-D

With today's newsletter that next year's versions to be called VDF2008 I suppose the answer to the original question will be locked in at 12.2.... all bets now off

>>> John Sutton<JohnSutton@KansasBankersSurety.com> 11/19/2007 9:50:22 AM >>>
Mr. Holmes I presume.....

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:11:48 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
kirkfreeport.net> wrote:

>>>I wasn't talking about computer languages either, though. So the
>>>argument of Cobol vs. COM is just plain nonsense
>
>I suspect John was in Friday Humour mode, Garret's taking the day off <g>

DavidMartinko
19-Nov-2007, 11:53 AM
Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
the version remains.

2008 v13.0
I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10

--
David Martinko
Custom Software Developer
Redeemed Software Company
www.RedeemedSoftware.com
248-535-7495

Dave Robinson
19-Nov-2007, 12:07 PM
Nah, 2008 chapter 1, 'the empire strikes forward'

>>> David Martinko<DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> 11/19/2007 11:53:43 AM >>>
Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
the version remains.

2008 v13.0
I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10

--
David Martinko
Custom Software Developer
Redeemed Software Company
www.RedeemedSoftware.com
248-535-7495

Peter Bosch
19-Nov-2007, 01:01 PM
I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))

Regards
Peter

"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
> the version remains.
>
> 2008 v13.0
> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>
> --
> David Martinko
> Custom Software Developer
> Redeemed Software Company
> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
> 248-535-7495
>

Dave Robinson
19-Nov-2007, 01:30 PM
.... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....

>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))

Regards
Peter

"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
> the version remains.
>
> 2008 v13.0
> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>
> --
> David Martinko
> Custom Software Developer
> Redeemed Software Company
> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
> 248-535-7495
>

John Sutton
19-Nov-2007, 05:31 PM
oooookay, I'll bite, why 17 for Italy?
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:30:52 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
kirkfreeport.net> wrote:

>... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....
>
>>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
>I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
>Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))
>
>Regards
>Peter
>
>"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
>> the version remains.
>>
>> 2008 v13.0
>> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>>
>> --
>> David Martinko
>> Custom Software Developer
>> Redeemed Software Company
>> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
>> 248-535-7495
>>
>
>
>

Dennis Piccioni
19-Nov-2007, 06:03 PM
In Italy, 13 is considered lucky and 17 unlucky.


On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:31:16 -0600, John Sutton
<JohnSutton@KansasBankersSurety.com> wrote:

>oooookay, I'll bite, why 17 for Italy?
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:30:52 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
>kirkfreeport.net> wrote:
>
>>... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....
>>
>>>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
>>I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
>>Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))
>>
>>Regards
>>Peter
>>
>>"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
>>> the version remains.
>>>
>>> 2008 v13.0
>>> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Martinko
>>> Custom Software Developer
>>> Redeemed Software Company
>>> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
>>> 248-535-7495
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Regards,
Dennis

Dennis Piccioni
Data Access Worldwide
http://www.DataAccess.com/support

Dave Robinson
19-Nov-2007, 06:03 PM
No idea.

The Scots and Italians played a big football match last Saturday and the Brit papers were full of stuff about how superstitious the Italians are.
It was something mentioned there, along with a suggestion that the Scots fill the Italian dressing room with black cats <g>

Just showing off my meagre knowledge (or my ability to remember trivia more effectively than anything I actually NEED to remember....)



>>> John Sutton<JohnSutton@KansasBankersSurety.com> 11/19/2007 5:31:16 PM >>>
oooookay, I'll bite, why 17 for Italy?
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:30:52 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
kirkfreeport.net> wrote:

>... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....
>
>>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
>I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
>Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))
>
>Regards
>Peter
>
>"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
>> the version remains.
>>
>> 2008 v13.0
>> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>>
>> --
>> David Martinko
>> Custom Software Developer
>> Redeemed Software Company
>> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
>> 248-535-7495
>>
>
>
>

Dennis Piccioni
19-Nov-2007, 06:08 PM
My favorite football match of all time is still German vs Greek
philosophers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrShK-NVMIU


On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:03:09 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
kirkfreeport.net> wrote:

>No idea.
>
>The Scots and Italians played a big football match last Saturday and the Brit papers were full of stuff about how superstitious the Italians are.
>It was something mentioned there, along with a suggestion that the Scots fill the Italian dressing room with black cats <g>
>
>Just showing off my meagre knowledge (or my ability to remember trivia more effectively than anything I actually NEED to remember....)
>
>
>
>>>> John Sutton<JohnSutton@KansasBankersSurety.com> 11/19/2007 5:31:16 PM >>>
>oooookay, I'll bite, why 17 for Italy?
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:30:52 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
>kirkfreeport.net> wrote:
>
>>... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....
>>
>>>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
>>I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
>>Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))
>>
>>Regards
>>Peter
>>
>>"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
>>> the version remains.
>>>
>>> 2008 v13.0
>>> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Martinko
>>> Custom Software Developer
>>> Redeemed Software Company
>>> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
>>> 248-535-7495
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Regards,
Dennis

Dennis Piccioni
Data Access Worldwide
http://www.DataAccess.com/support

Dave Robinson
19-Nov-2007, 06:18 PM
Classic stuff!
lol!

>>> Dennis Piccioni<dennis@dataaccess.com> 11/19/2007 6:08:09 PM >>>
My favorite football match of all time is still German vs Greek
philosophers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrShK-NVMIU


On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:03:09 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
kirkfreeport.net> wrote:

>No idea.
>
>The Scots and Italians played a big football match last Saturday and the Brit papers were full of stuff about how superstitious the Italians are.
>It was something mentioned there, along with a suggestion that the Scots fill the Italian dressing room with black cats <g>
>
>Just showing off my meagre knowledge (or my ability to remember trivia more effectively than anything I actually NEED to remember....)
>
>
>
>>>> John Sutton<JohnSutton@KansasBankersSurety.com> 11/19/2007 5:31:16 PM >>>
>oooookay, I'll bite, why 17 for Italy?
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:30:52 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
>kirkfreeport.net> wrote:
>
>>... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....
>>
>>>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
>>I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
>>Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))
>>
>>Regards
>>Peter
>>
>>"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
>>> the version remains.
>>>
>>> 2008 v13.0
>>> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Martinko
>>> Custom Software Developer
>>> Redeemed Software Company
>>> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
>>> 248-535-7495
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Regards,
Dennis

Dennis Piccioni
Data Access Worldwide
http://www.DataAccess.com/support

Nils G. Svedmyr
19-Nov-2007, 09:00 PM
Hi Dennis,

And defenitely the most interesting match as well. And probably the most
important goal for Sokrates in his whole career =;-)

Thanks for the classic link.

Regards,
Nils G. Svedmyr
RDC Tools International

"Dennis Piccioni" <dennis@dataaccess.com> wrote in message
news:2p54k3t6ghdsqd85dlm1mh9c2a9aus3p2k@4ax.com...
> My favorite football match of all time is still German vs Greek
> philosophers:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrShK-NVMIU
>
>
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:03:09 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
> kirkfreeport.net> wrote:
>
>>No idea.
>>
>>The Scots and Italians played a big football match last Saturday and the
>>Brit papers were full of stuff about how superstitious the Italians are.
>>It was something mentioned there, along with a suggestion that the Scots
>>fill the Italian dressing room with black cats <g>
>>
>>Just showing off my meagre knowledge (or my ability to remember trivia
>>more effectively than anything I actually NEED to remember....)
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> John Sutton<JohnSutton@KansasBankersSurety.com> 11/19/2007 5:31:16 PM
>>>>> >>>
>>oooookay, I'll bite, why 17 for Italy?
>>On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:30:52 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
>>kirkfreeport.net> wrote:
>>
>>>... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....
>>>
>>>>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
>>>I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version
>>>13!
>>>Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Peter
>>>
>>>"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>>> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product
>>>> name...
>>>> the version remains.
>>>>
>>>> 2008 v13.0
>>>> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Martinko
>>>> Custom Software Developer
>>>> Redeemed Software Company
>>>> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
>>>> 248-535-7495
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Regards,
> Dennis
>
> Dennis Piccioni
> Data Access Worldwide
> http://www.DataAccess.com/support

Dave Robinson
20-Nov-2007, 08:57 AM
The entire Python history, all the movies and TV shows, has recenty been released as a DVD box set..... dare I ask Mrs R for an early Xmas present?

: D

>>> Dennis Piccioni<dennis@dataaccess.com> 11/19/2007 6:08:09 PM >>>
My favorite football match of all time is still German vs Greek
philosophers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrShK-NVMIU


On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:03:09 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
kirkfreeport.net> wrote:

>No idea.
>
>The Scots and Italians played a big football match last Saturday and the Brit papers were full of stuff about how superstitious the Italians are.
>It was something mentioned there, along with a suggestion that the Scots fill the Italian dressing room with black cats <g>
>
>Just showing off my meagre knowledge (or my ability to remember trivia more effectively than anything I actually NEED to remember....)
>
>
>
>>>> John Sutton<JohnSutton@KansasBankersSurety.com> 11/19/2007 5:31:16 PM >>>
>oooookay, I'll bite, why 17 for Italy?
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:30:52 -0500, "Dave Robinson" <dr at
>kirkfreeport.net> wrote:
>
>>... if they go back to 14, 15 etc they have to skip 17 for Italy....
>>
>>>>> Peter Bosch<pbosch@infotrans.at> 11/19/2007 1:01:41 PM >>>
>>I think, the main reason is that they never ever will release a version 13!
>>Only 14 - so this was a good point to switch to 2008. ;-)))
>>
>>Regards
>>Peter
>>
>>"David Martinko" <DavidM@RedeemedSoftware.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>news:280xO0sKIHA.2548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>> Well, there still has to be a version number. 2008 is the product name...
>>> the version remains.
>>>
>>> 2008 v13.0
>>> I don't think they would do... 2008.0.1.10
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Martinko
>>> Custom Software Developer
>>> Redeemed Software Company
>>> www.RedeemedSoftware.com
>>> 248-535-7495
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Regards,
Dennis

Dennis Piccioni
Data Access Worldwide
http://www.DataAccess.com/support