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Garret Mott
25-Feb-2009, 02:36 PM
Hi All -

This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above. Since
I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.

Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have said
that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at the
list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to wonder
about the potential knowledge loss.

In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I can
understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247

DAW - have you looked into anything like this?

For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll..... "Should
the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous - so no one
will know how you voted....

Thanks,

Garret

Pieter van Dieren
25-Feb-2009, 03:05 PM
Garret,

I don't want it to be anonymous: I have voted for having them both. :)
I prefer the newsgroup, but could live with a forum.
But I also worry that we will lose a lot of useful contributers.
And it's exactly those people that make this newsgroup a fantastic source
for everyone.

--

Pieter

Garret Mott
25-Feb-2009, 10:16 PM
In case anyone is on this side only - here's the tally as of 10:15PM EST
Thursday


"Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
news:MBAHiB4lJHA.136@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Hi All -
>
> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above. Since
> I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>
> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
> very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
> brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have said
> that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at the
> list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to wonder
> about the potential knowledge loss.
>
> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I
> can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>
> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>
> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous -
> so no one will know how you voted....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Garret

Joe Coley
26-Feb-2009, 07:06 AM
Greetings!

So I see your nice attachment here Garret -- then, after logging onto the
web forum (specifically so that I could find the survey and respond!) -- I
cannot locate the survey :-(

I finally found it only by searching for a post by Garret, then seeing it.
My expectation is that I would see it right away -- but not.
Which is exactly the point of many as far as I can tell.

Joe Coley
--
Visit my blog "Custom Application Development: Buy, Build, or Ignore?"
at http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/customapps
Proud Member of the Northeast Dataflex Consortium www.NEDataFlex.com

Michel Boisvert
26-Feb-2009, 07:57 AM
Hi Garret,

the newsgroup is for sure faster and easier to use and to navigate. on
the other hand, the forum has more features.

However, as I am aging and time is becoming a scarce resource, I vote
for the newsgroup. In the forum, it is much harder to find something
you look for... In fact, it took, me a lot of time just to find the
button to start a new thread... Aging probably..

I will not call this progress but I have to admit, the screens are nice
and the features are plenty.. that makes you feel you have more power
in a less productive environment.

Michel

Peter H. van Wijk
26-Feb-2009, 08:19 AM
Garret,

> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above. Since
> I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.

In newsgroups there is no "fame and glory". Just information. No number of
times viewed, No number of posted messages, no profile, not being a Junior
Member. So it is each massage on itself.

>
> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
> very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
> brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have said
> that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at the
> list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to wonder
> about the potential knowledge loss.

When I posted the message I was pretty sure that it could not turn around
the move going to web based. I was interested in the opinion of others.

Webbased is the "future" but at a certain cost.

Again, I do not like the presented web interface. I think it is limited in
many ways and a step back in time. To much space needed for less
information. To much mouse scrolling and clicking.
But maybe that is at the moment what I think in general about webbased
applications. I have seen more then a few, from browsing the internet to
applications used by some of my customers over the internet or windows apps
converted to webbased.

If I look at Yahoo or Hotmail mail it should be possible to get something
better than what the new forums are giving.

For the time being I will visit the forums much less then the newsgroups,
where I scanned or read almost all of it. I am maybe not a big poster of
messages or answers, I did/do more in the alfa's and beta's.

Peter H. van Wijk
X-Organize Consultancy N.V.

>
> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I
> can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>
> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>
> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous -
> so no one will know how you voted....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Garret

Martin den Heyer
26-Feb-2009, 09:06 AM
Not sure how to take part in this poll, but.... I definately want to keep
the Newsgroups!

Martin

"Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
news:MqE%232C8lJHA.996@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> In case anyone is on this side only - here's the tally as of 10:15PM EST
> Thursday
>
>
> "Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:MBAHiB4lJHA.136@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> Hi All -
>>
>> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above.
>> Since
>> I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>>
>> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
>> very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
>> brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have
>> said
>> that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at the
>> list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to wonder
>> about the potential knowledge loss.
>>
>> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I
>> can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
>> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>>
>> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>>
>> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
>> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous -
>> so no one will know how you voted....
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Garret
>

Dan Walsh
26-Feb-2009, 09:10 AM
I vote newsgroup. I'm going to bother with the forums until I see
reasonable keyboard navigation. It's about time.

Garret Mott wrote:
> Hi All -
>
> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above.
> Since I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>
> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
> very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
> brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have
> said that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look
> at the list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to
> wonder about the potential knowledge loss.
>
> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I
> can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>
> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>
> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous -
> so no one will know how you voted....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Garret

Garret Mott
26-Feb-2009, 09:39 AM
Hi Peter -

> For the time being I will visit the forums much less then the newsgroups,
> where I scanned or read almost all of it. I am maybe not a big poster of
> messages or answers, I did/do more in the alfa's and beta's.
>

To paraphrase what you said - the info here is about quality - not quantity.
I think that same statement covers your responses here in the NG's.

Garret

"Peter H. van Wijk" <phvwijk@x-organize,com> wrote in message
news:JESIpTBmJHA.4016@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Garret,
>
>> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above.
>> Since I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>
> In newsgroups there is no "fame and glory". Just information. No number of
> times viewed, No number of posted messages, no profile, not being a Junior
> Member. So it is each massage on itself.
>
>>
>> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
>> very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
>> brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have
>> said that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at
>> the list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to
>> wonder about the potential knowledge loss.
>
> When I posted the message I was pretty sure that it could not turn around
> the move going to web based. I was interested in the opinion of others.
>
> Webbased is the "future" but at a certain cost.
>
> Again, I do not like the presented web interface. I think it is limited in
> many ways and a step back in time. To much space needed for less
> information. To much mouse scrolling and clicking.
> But maybe that is at the moment what I think in general about webbased
> applications. I have seen more then a few, from browsing the internet to
> applications used by some of my customers over the internet or windows
> apps converted to webbased.
>
> If I look at Yahoo or Hotmail mail it should be possible to get something
> better than what the new forums are giving.
>
> For the time being I will visit the forums much less then the newsgroups,
> where I scanned or read almost all of it. I am maybe not a big poster of
> messages or answers, I did/do more in the alfa's and beta's.
>
> Peter H. van Wijk
> X-Organize Consultancy N.V.
>
>>
>> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I
>> can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
>> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>>
>> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>>
>> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
>> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous -
>> so no one will know how you voted....
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Garret
>
>

Garret Mott
26-Feb-2009, 10:19 AM
Hi Martin -

You have to go over to the dark side to do it ;-)

Go to the web forum, & search for the poll. I think this link will work
(unless you haven't yet created a user there):
http://support.dataaccess.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60

HTH

Garret

"Martin den Heyer" <x@y.com> wrote in message
news:r%239zwtBmJHA.4656@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Not sure how to take part in this poll, but.... I definately want to keep
> the Newsgroups!
>
> Martin
>
> "Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:MqE%232C8lJHA.996@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> In case anyone is on this side only - here's the tally as of 10:15PM EST
>> Thursday
>>
>>
>> "Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
>> news:MBAHiB4lJHA.136@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>> Hi All -
>>>
>>> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above.
>>> Since
>>> I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>>>
>>> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
>>> very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
>>> brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have
>>> said
>>> that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at the
>>> list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to wonder
>>> about the potential knowledge loss.
>>>
>>> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I
>>> can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
>>> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>>>
>>> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>>>
>>> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
>>> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous -
>>> so no one will know how you voted....
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Garret
>>
>

Martin den Heyer
26-Feb-2009, 11:52 AM
Don't even have a user name there... I'm getting crazy with all them
sites/services who require a username password.

Another reason to keep these up and running, because I just refuse to
register

Martin


"Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
news:wisKgWCmJHA.4656@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Hi Martin -
>
> You have to go over to the dark side to do it ;-)
>
> Go to the web forum, & search for the poll. I think this link will work
> (unless you haven't yet created a user there):
> http://support.dataaccess.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60
>
> HTH
>
> Garret
>
> "Martin den Heyer" <x@y.com> wrote in message
> news:r%239zwtBmJHA.4656@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> Not sure how to take part in this poll, but.... I definately want to keep
>> the Newsgroups!
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> "Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
>> news:MqE%232C8lJHA.996@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>> In case anyone is on this side only - here's the tally as of 10:15PM EST
>>> Thursday
>>>
>>>
>>> "Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
>>> news:MBAHiB4lJHA.136@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>>> Hi All -
>>>>
>>>> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above.
>>>> Since
>>>> I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>>>>
>>>> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands
>>>> a
>>>> very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best
>>>> &
>>>> brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have
>>>> said
>>>> that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at
>>>> the
>>>> list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to
>>>> wonder
>>>> about the potential knowledge loss.
>>>>
>>>> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I
>>>> can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
>>>> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>>>>
>>>> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>>>>
>>>> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
>>>> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's
>>>> anonymous -
>>>> so no one will know how you voted....
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Garret
>>>
>>
>

Ian Smith
26-Feb-2009, 01:29 PM
Hi

As I have stated else where I am trying to be positive about the new
forum, but it is much slower. There are already 3 different views. I
do not know anything about how vBulletin works, but could a forth
NewsGroup Style be added? With a tree of all the posts at the top and
a message area below. The interface then becomes simple. Scroll and
click the tree and read the post bellow.

Basically this is Thread Mode without the screen clutter and the tree
starting at the forum level not the individual thread level.

Ian

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:36:19 -0500, "Garret Mott"
<garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote:

>Hi All -
>
>This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above. Since
>I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>
>Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands a
>very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the best &
>brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks who have said
>that the forums will increase their contibutions, but when I look at the
>list of people who probably won't make the transition, I start to wonder
>about the potential knowledge loss.
>
>In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as I can
>understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
>http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>
>DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>
>For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll..... "Should
>the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's anonymous - so no one
>will know how you voted....
>
>Thanks,
>
>Garret

Glennbo
26-Feb-2009, 03:36 PM
In news:FeTybqAmJHA.2968@dacmail.dataaccess.com the killer robot "Joe
Coley" <joec@joecweb.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
visual-dataflex and pressed these buttons...

> So I see your nice attachment here Garret -- then, after logging onto
> the web forum (specifically so that I could find the survey and
> respond!) -- I cannot locate the survey :-(

See how much better the shiny web thing is! You can't even find stuff you
know is there!!! It looks real pretty though, and brane dead people can
click to it without even having any knowledge that NNTP ever existed!!!!

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/ / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ / __ \
/ /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
\____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_____/\____/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms

Glennbo
26-Feb-2009, 03:36 PM
In news:r#9zwtBmJHA.4656@dacmail.dataaccess.com the killer robot "Martin
den Heyer" <x@y.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
visual-dataflex and pressed these buttons...

> Not sure how to take part in this poll, but.... I definately want to
> keep the Newsgroups!

I'd vote, but then I'd have to sign up for the weeb forum. :-(

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/ / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ / __ \
/ /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
\____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_____/\____/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms

Glennbo
26-Feb-2009, 03:45 PM
In news:vqmdq49s16nvca36pn7l6m018okqaoo0ml@4ax.com the killer robot Ian
Smith <Dataflex@ablescan.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
visual-dataflex and pressed these buttons...

> Thread Mode without the screen clutter

Screen clutter is what weeb forums are all about. In my newsreader (Xnews)
I can see 15 headers *PLUS* the entire text of your message. I just looked
and on the weeb forum, the *entire* screen can only display for me 11
headers with no post open for reading in the Visual Dataflex forum.

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/ ____/ /__ ____ ____ / __ )____
/ / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ / __ \
/ /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
\____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_____/\____/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms

Garret Mott
26-Feb-2009, 03:51 PM
> ... brane dead people can

I think you misspelled there. Shouldn't it be "brane ded"? <vbg>

BTW - how did you know Joe is a killer robot? I thought that knowledge was
limited to a fairly small group...

"Glennbo" <vdrums@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9BBE948C5E4B5BrownShoesDontMakeIt@192.245. 64.240...
> In news:FeTybqAmJHA.2968@dacmail.dataaccess.com the killer robot "Joe
> Coley" <joec@joecweb.com> grabbed the controls of the spaceship
> visual-dataflex and pressed these buttons...
>
>> So I see your nice attachment here Garret -- then, after logging onto
>> the web forum (specifically so that I could find the survey and
>> respond!) -- I cannot locate the survey :-(
>
> See how much better the shiny web thing is! You can't even find stuff you
> know is there!!! It looks real pretty though, and brane dead people can
> click to it without even having any knowledge that NNTP ever existed!!!!
>
> --
> ________ ____
> / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / __ )____
> / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ / __ \
> / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
> \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_____/\____/
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
> Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
> Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms

Glennbo
26-Feb-2009, 04:04 PM
In news:EbYpaQFmJHA.2968@dacmail.dataaccess.com the killer robot "Garret
Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> grabbed the controls of the
spaceship visual-dataflex and pressed these buttons...

>> ... brane dead people can
>
> I think you misspelled there. Shouldn't it be "brane ded"? <vbg>

Hehe, I actually spelled it that way at first and thought people would
think I was trying to say "branded" and fat fingered the keyboard, so I
changed it to "brane dead" so it would be obvious that I intended to
misspell brain for the "Shiny Object/Vista/Web Forum" effect. ;)

> BTW - how did you know Joe is a killer robot? I thought that
> knowledge was limited to a fairly small group...

Hehe, my non-shiny low tech newsreader (with regex search capabilities)
did it!

Oh, and in response to this from over there:

"OK - 137 views & only 16 votes? Either the #'s are whacko or people aren't
voting!"

Yeah, I've viewed it a few times to see where it's at, but since I haven't
setup a user profile over there, so I can't vote. Someone click the "Nah -
Forget these Forums" for me. <g>

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/ ____/ /__ ____ ____ / __ )____
/ / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ / __ \
/ /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
\____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_____/\____/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms

Garret Mott
26-Feb-2009, 04:19 PM
Got it - it's NEDC members that are killer robots. Darn - the secret's out.

Sorry Glenn - the forum will only let a person vote once.

BTW, here's the current tally


"Glennbo" <vdrums@cox.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9BBE99494DA74BrownShoesDontMakeIt@192.245. 64.240...
> In news:EbYpaQFmJHA.2968@dacmail.dataaccess.com the killer robot "Garret
> Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> grabbed the controls of the
> spaceship visual-dataflex and pressed these buttons...
>
>>> ... brane dead people can
>>
>> I think you misspelled there. Shouldn't it be "brane ded"? <vbg>
>
> Hehe, I actually spelled it that way at first and thought people would
> think I was trying to say "branded" and fat fingered the keyboard, so I
> changed it to "brane dead" so it would be obvious that I intended to
> misspell brain for the "Shiny Object/Vista/Web Forum" effect. ;)
>
>> BTW - how did you know Joe is a killer robot? I thought that
>> knowledge was limited to a fairly small group...
>
> Hehe, my non-shiny low tech newsreader (with regex search capabilities)
> did it!
>
> Oh, and in response to this from over there:
>
> "OK - 137 views & only 16 votes? Either the #'s are whacko or people
> aren't
> voting!"
>
> Yeah, I've viewed it a few times to see where it's at, but since I haven't
> setup a user profile over there, so I can't vote. Someone click the
> "Nah -
> Forget these Forums" for me. <g>
>
> --
> ________ ____
> / ____/ /__ ____ ____ / __ )____
> / / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ / __ \
> / /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
> \____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_____/\____/
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
> Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
> Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms

Glennbo
26-Feb-2009, 04:37 PM
In news:HLyhufFmJHA.996@dacmail.dataaccess.com the killer robot "Garret
Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> grabbed the controls of the
spaceship visual-dataflex and pressed these buttons...

> BTW, here's the current tally

So there are 18 Vista lovin', shiny object fascinated, web forum zombies
there who are obviously NNTP challenged. ;)

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/ ____/ /__ ____ ____ / __ )____
/ / __/ / _ \/ __ \/ __ \/ __ / __ \
/ /_/ / / __/ / / / / / / /_/ / /_/ /
\____/_/\___/_/ /_/_/ /_/_____/\____/
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Glennbo http://www.soundclick.com/glennbo
Non-Linear Sound http://www.soundclick.com/jambits
Hear My Music http://www.soundclick.com/ThePseudonyms

Bob Cergol
27-Feb-2009, 02:55 PM
I don't much care whether they keep a Web Forum synced with the
newsgroup of not -- as long as the newsgroup remains.

I am extremely pressed for time and the newsgroups provide a very
compact presentation with efficient navigation -- just not so for the
Web forum.

Anyone can host a newsgroup or a web forum. The user traffic is what
makes it successful.

Perhaps we'll end up with the main developers' using newsgroups at
VDF-Guidance -- and DAW can use the Web Forums as their support
mechanism. It looks to me like 95% of the exchanges on the current
newsgroup are user/user and 5% user/DAW.

I vote let DAW have 95% of the interaction on the Web Forums and lets
keep 95% of the user/user interaction on a VDF-Guidance hosted
newsgroup. (Maybe Sture would even consider merging VDF-Guidance posts
into his established WASP application.)

Bob


"Garret Mott" <garret_at_automatesoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
news:MBAHiB4lJHA.136@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Hi All -
>
> This thread is not intended to take away from Peter's thread above.
> Since I'm changing the topic, I thought I'd start a new one.
>
> Having watched Peter's thread closely, I see that the community stands
> a very good chance of losing a large # of what I consider to be the
> best & brightest contributors. I realize that there are some folks
> who have said that the forums will increase their contibutions, but
> when I look at the list of people who probably won't make the
> transition, I start to wonder about the potential knowledge loss.
>
> In searching the web, I found that there probably is a way (as far as
> I can understand) of having both the forum & the NG's:
> http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35247
>
> DAW - have you looked into anything like this?
>
> For those of you who are on the new forum, I've started a poll.....
> "Should the Newsgroups be kept - running in parallel". It's
> anonymous - so no one will know how you voted....
>
> Thanks,
>
> Garret

Garret Mott
28-Feb-2009, 01:08 PM
Guess the title should now change to "Newsgroups Ended...".

Here we go! Let's hope we can make all this work, because this community is far too important a resource to see it dwindle.

Peter Brooks
2-Mar-2009, 12:56 AM
I vote for synchronising - I love the other newsgroups - much easier to read and respond too.

MartinDH
2-Mar-2009, 03:15 AM
Today is a sad day for the Dataflex community.
Now they want us to sign up to some flashy toy system where I can't find a *$%@ thing.
Yet another reason to move away from the Dataflex platform.
Data Acess has the most loyal group of developers, most of them have an almost religious belief in this product, but Data Access just doesn't care about our opinions.

Maybe Wil can be persuaded to setup Newsgroups with the same names on the vdf-guidance news server.

Martin

Peter Crook
2-Mar-2009, 02:42 PM
Sorry Garret, I don't know if its an indication of my incompetance or another reason to dislike forums, but in spite of all my searching I can't find your poll. The link in your post didn't take me to it. Can you help?

Peter

Dennis Piccioni
2-Mar-2009, 02:50 PM
Sorry Garret, I don't know if its an indication of my incompetance or another reason to dislike forums, but in spite of all my searching I can't find your poll. The link in your post didn't take me to it. Can you help?

Peter

Hi Peter,

I think that was one of the posts that was erased when we migrated the newsgroup messages this weekend, as we said would happen: http://support.dataaccess.com/forums/faq.php?faq=trangroup#faq_tranfaq3

Garret Mott
2-Mar-2009, 03:01 PM
Sorry Garret, I don't know if its an indication of my incompetance or another reason to dislike forums, but in spite of all my searching I can't find your poll. The link in your post didn't take me to it. Can you help?

Peter

I believe Dennis had it right - 'twas deleted when the NG stuff came over. Last I knew it was 21 for doing both, 19 for ditch the NG's & 2 for ditch the forum.

Garret

Peter Crook
2-Mar-2009, 03:25 PM
I believe Dennis had it right - 'twas deleted when the NG stuff came over. Last I knew it was 21 for doing both, 19 for ditch the NG's & 2 for ditch the forum.

Garret

Based on my experience so far, ditch the forum!! Or at least do both.

Peter

JimH
2-Mar-2009, 04:42 PM
NEWSGROUP - or both.

Fwiw, there is no poll visible on my browser either, so I can't vote.

Jim

Garret Mott
2-Mar-2009, 05:01 PM
NEWSGROUP - or both.

Fwiw, there is no poll visible on my browser either, so I can't vote.

Jim

Hi -

What you are reading is a post I made in the NG that referenced a poll I had here on the forum before the switchover occurred. Everything that was here before the switchover has been deleted.

So - the poll is gone & reinstituting it seems pretty fruitless as Chip made it clear that investigating options into synching the forum with NG's isn't going to happen.

HTH explain -

JimH
2-Mar-2009, 05:13 PM
Hi -

What you are reading is a post I made in the NG that referenced a poll I had here on the forum before the switchover occurred. Everything that was here before the switchover has been deleted.

So - the poll is gone & reinstituting it seems pretty fruitless as Chip made it clear that investigating options into synching the forum with NG's isn't going to happen.

HTH explain -

Thanks.

Mark Rutherford
2-Mar-2009, 06:04 PM
So - the poll is gone & reinstituting it seems pretty fruitless as Chip made it clear that investigating options into synching the forum with NG's isn't going to happen.

HTH explain -

That's pretty one sided IMHO.
Our way or the highway... one way to kill a group, IMHO.

Garret Mott
2-Mar-2009, 06:12 PM
That's pretty one sided IMHO.
Our way or the highway... one way to kill a group, IMHO.

Just to be clear - that was my interpretation of what he said & I could be completely wrong!



It has been suggested that we maintain both newsgroup and web forums environments. While I cannot say that doing that would be impossible, it does conflict with one of the unpublished goals driving our decisions - to simplify our support environment and its management, not complicate it. Supporting two concurrent platforms (newsgroups and forums) would be a material complication.