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Roel Westhoff [W4]
2-Aug-2007, 03:52 AM
Hi all,

I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos

As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks them
based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a static
html -based website i can understand the way google crawls through your
website but my question is. How this process might work with a dynamically
created website based a cms. Is there a way to influence this process?

Can any one comment or fill me in

Roel Westhoff
W4 Software & Consultancy BV

A Paul Anthony
2-Aug-2007, 05:19 AM
Roel.Westhoff[W4] wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
>dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>
>As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks them
>based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a static
>html -based website i can understand the way google crawls through your
>website but my question is. How this process might work with a dynamically
>created website based a cms. Is there a way to influence this process?
>
>Can any one comment or fill me in
>
>Roel Westhoff
>W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>
>
Not sure how this actually makes much difference - the links are still
there to the pages, the "?page=2356" bit is still part of the address.
--

A Paul Anthony
Software Developer

A Paul Anthony
2-Aug-2007, 05:31 AM
A Paul Anthony wrote:

> Roel.Westhoff[W4] wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
>> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>>
>> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and
>> ranks them based on the the links found to other pages on other
>> sites. With a static html -based website i can understand the way
>> google crawls through your website but my question is. How this
>> process might work with a dynamically created website based a cms. Is
>> there a way to influence this process?
>>
>> Can any one comment or fill me in
>>
>> Roel Westhoff
>> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>>
> Not sure how this actually makes much difference - the links are still
> there to the pages, the "?pageid=2356" bit is still part of the address.

To further clarify, a webcrawler would follow a link like
"normal.asp?pageid=2345" in the same way as it woudl follow a link to
"contact.htm". The web server would server the same page, generated
dynamilcally by webapp, just the same way as it would for a "real" user.

I can confirm that it does work OK from my own experiance. I've have
sites I've been setting up on a test domain being indexed and listed
from deep within my site before I was ready to publish them properly on
their intended domain. :-( Here is where the "influencing" part of
question kicks in. I /should/ have used a robots.txt file to tell it
what it can and can't do but obviously didn't. The following wikipedia
link should help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt

I admit I've not tried specifying a filter based on an address line
argument, though.
--

A Paul Anthony
Software Developer

David Martinko
2-Aug-2007, 07:48 AM
I read on Google's site that having a sitemap.xml will help it's robots
properly search your site.

=Dave

"Roel.Westhoff[W4]" <roel.westhoff@wesmoll.com> wrote in message
news:O%23jMrJO1HHA.6116@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>
> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks
> them based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a
> static html -based website i can understand the way google crawls through
> your website but my question is. How this process might work with a
> dynamically created website based a cms. Is there a way to influence this
> process?
>
> Can any one comment or fill me in
>
> Roel Westhoff
> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>

Roel Westhoff [W4]
3-Aug-2007, 03:50 AM
David and Anthony,

Thanks for the info.
I'll have a look at the supplied links

Roel

"A Paul Anthony" <Paul@asckey.com> wrote in message
news:x0WibBP1HHA.5736@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>A Paul Anthony wrote:
>
>> Roel.Westhoff[W4] wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
>>> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>>>
>>> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks
>>> them based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a
>>> static html -based website i can understand the way google crawls
>>> through your website but my question is. How this process might work
>>> with a dynamically created website based a cms. Is there a way to
>>> influence this process?
>>>
>>> Can any one comment or fill me in
>>>
>>> Roel Westhoff
>>> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>> Not sure how this actually makes much difference - the links are still
>> there to the pages, the "?pageid=2356" bit is still part of the address.
>
> To further clarify, a webcrawler would follow a link like
> "normal.asp?pageid=2345" in the same way as it woudl follow a link to
> "contact.htm". The web server would server the same page, generated
> dynamilcally by webapp, just the same way as it would for a "real" user.
>
> I can confirm that it does work OK from my own experiance. I've have sites
> I've been setting up on a test domain being indexed and listed from deep
> within my site before I was ready to publish them properly on their
> intended domain. :-( Here is where the "influencing" part of question
> kicks in. I /should/ have used a robots.txt file to tell it what it can
> and can't do but obviously didn't. The following wikipedia link should
> help
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt
>
> I admit I've not tried specifying a filter based on an address line
> argument, though.
> --
>
> A Paul Anthony
> Software Developer

Randall Rutherford
10-Aug-2007, 03:40 PM
Hello Roel & Fellow Posters,

I recently gave a presentation at our Synergy 2007 conference on this very
subject - Search Engine Optimization with Electos - and just last week we've
posted the presentation files from the conference on our website - see the
link to Synergy 2007 Presentations at:

http://www.dataaccess.com/synergy

The SEO with Electos PowerPoint is listed under the Friday sessions. In it
are links to resources about using a robots.txt file to limit what's
indexed, as well as using a sitemap to tell search engines what links you
specifically want indexed.

In the presentation are links to several tools for creating sitemaps,
robots.txt files, and to Google Webmaster tools, etc. When used in
combination, these techniques enable you exert some control over the
indexing of your site, including the ability to specifically instruct search
engines what to index, as well as what NOT to index.

As others noted, the crawlers will still crawl your Electos site by visiting
every link on the site, but if you have pages that are not linked anywhere,
they will not be found unless you include them in your sitemap.

Google has several good resources:


Google Webmaster Tools:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/


How can I create a Google-friendly site?:

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=40349&ctx=related

Google Webmaster Guidelines

http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35769


Here's a great resource from Matt Cutts, who is Google's chief spam officer,
who has a blog on how Google handles PageRank, crawling sites, spam sites,
etc:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/

Here's some other resources I've found helpful:

http://searchenginewatch.com/

http://searchengineland.com/

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/webanalytics/

http://sphinn.com/

There's many more - I've actually a custom iGoogle page set up that has my
Analytics stats, plus content feeds from all these and more including
Adwords info, all on one page.

Regarding analytics software and Electos and dynamically driven websites, we
use Google Analytics and have no problems with it tracking our Electos
powered websites.

Let me finish by noting that SEO isn't a "do it once and forget it"
exercise - it's an ongoing process as a part of your Search Engine Marketing
(SEM) efforts.

Hope this helps!

Randall Rutherford
Marketing Manager
Data Access Worldwide
Miami, FL USA
(305) 238-0012 | www.DataAccess.com


"Roel.Westhoff[W4]" <roel.westhoff@wesmoll.com> wrote in message
news:O%23jMrJO1HHA.6116@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>
> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks
> them based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a
> static html -based website i can understand the way google crawls through
> your website but my question is. How this process might work with a
> dynamically created website based a cms. Is there a way to influence this
> process?
>
> Can any one comment or fill me in
>
> Roel Westhoff
> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>

Randall Rutherford
17-Aug-2007, 09:39 AM
Today there is a very interest post about URLs by Matt Cutts of Google &
good discussion about the post at:

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/seo-glossary-url-definitions/

One poster suggested to Matt, "A post on how Google treats path parameters
would be interesting," indicating that there really isn't any info from
Google on this particular topic at this point.

Randall Rutherford
Marketing Manager
Data Access Worldwide
Miami, FL USA
(305) 238-0012 | www.DataAccess.com



"Randall Rutherford" <randall-r@dataaccess.com> wrote in message
news:dcvKm642HHA.5660@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Hello Roel & Fellow Posters,
>
> I recently gave a presentation at our Synergy 2007 conference on this very
> subject - Search Engine Optimization with Electos - and just last week
> we've posted the presentation files from the conference on our website -
> see the link to Synergy 2007 Presentations at:
>
> http://www.dataaccess.com/synergy
>
> The SEO with Electos PowerPoint is listed under the Friday sessions. In it
> are links to resources about using a robots.txt file to limit what's
> indexed, as well as using a sitemap to tell search engines what links you
> specifically want indexed.
>
> In the presentation are links to several tools for creating sitemaps,
> robots.txt files, and to Google Webmaster tools, etc. When used in
> combination, these techniques enable you exert some control over the
> indexing of your site, including the ability to specifically instruct
> search engines what to index, as well as what NOT to index.
>
> As others noted, the crawlers will still crawl your Electos site by
> visiting every link on the site, but if you have pages that are not linked
> anywhere, they will not be found unless you include them in your sitemap.
>
> Google has several good resources:
>
>
> Google Webmaster Tools:
>
> http://www.google.com/webmasters/
>
>
> How can I create a Google-friendly site?:
>
>
> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=40349&ctx=related
>
> Google Webmaster Guidelines
>
> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=35769
>
>
> Here's a great resource from Matt Cutts, who is Google's chief spam
> officer, who has a blog on how Google handles PageRank, crawling sites,
> spam sites, etc:
>
> http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/
>
> Here's some other resources I've found helpful:
>
> http://searchenginewatch.com/
>
> http://searchengineland.com/
>
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/webanalytics/
>
> http://sphinn.com/
>
> There's many more - I've actually a custom iGoogle page set up that has my
> Analytics stats, plus content feeds from all these and more including
> Adwords info, all on one page.
>
> Regarding analytics software and Electos and dynamically driven websites,
> we use Google Analytics and have no problems with it tracking our Electos
> powered websites.
>
> Let me finish by noting that SEO isn't a "do it once and forget it"
> exercise - it's an ongoing process as a part of your Search Engine
> Marketing (SEM) efforts.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Randall Rutherford
> Marketing Manager
> Data Access Worldwide
> Miami, FL USA
> (305) 238-0012 | www.DataAccess.com
>
>
> "Roel.Westhoff[W4]" <roel.westhoff@wesmoll.com> wrote in message
> news:O%23jMrJO1HHA.6116@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
>> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>>
>> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks
>> them based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a
>> static html -based website i can understand the way google crawls through
>> your website but my question is. How this process might work with a
>> dynamically created website based a cms. Is there a way to influence this
>> process?
>>
>> Can any one comment or fill me in
>>
>> Roel Westhoff
>> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>>
>
>

Jakob Kruse
23-Aug-2007, 09:00 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if Electos (like Wordpress for instance, with the right
plugin) was capable of automatically generating the sitemap.xml file on
every change?

/Jakob


"David Martinko" <RedeemedSoftware@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:ydkCDRQ1HHA.5548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>I read on Google's site that having a sitemap.xml will help it's robots
>properly search your site.
>
> =Dave
>
> "Roel.Westhoff[W4]" <roel.westhoff@wesmoll.com> wrote in message
> news:O%23jMrJO1HHA.6116@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
>> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>>
>> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks
>> them based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a
>> static html -based website i can understand the way google crawls through
>> your website but my question is. How this process might work with a
>> dynamically created website based a cms. Is there a way to influence this
>> process?
>>
>> Can any one comment or fill me in
>>
>> Roel Westhoff
>> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>>
>

David Martinko
23-Aug-2007, 10:12 AM
I wrote one myself that can be scheduled nightly... it isn't quite finished.

=Dave



"Jakob Kruse" <kruse@kruse-net.dk> wrote in message
news:lmkuv3Y5HHA.2312@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
> Wouldn't it be nice if Electos (like Wordpress for instance, with the
> right plugin) was capable of automatically generating the sitemap.xml file
> on every change?
>
> /Jakob
>
>
> "David Martinko" <RedeemedSoftware@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:ydkCDRQ1HHA.5548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>I read on Google's site that having a sitemap.xml will help it's robots
>>properly search your site.
>>
>> =Dave
>>
>> "Roel.Westhoff[W4]" <roel.westhoff@wesmoll.com> wrote in message
>> news:O%23jMrJO1HHA.6116@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
>>> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>>>
>>> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks
>>> them based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a
>>> static html -based website i can understand the way google crawls
>>> through your website but my question is. How this process might work
>>> with a dynamically created website based a cms. Is there a way to
>>> influence this process?
>>>
>>> Can any one comment or fill me in
>>>
>>> Roel Westhoff
>>> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>>>
>>
>
>

Jakob Kruse
12-Sep-2007, 05:47 AM
Hi David

Would you care to make it a collaborative effort? I'm about to start making
one myself...

/Jakob


"David Martinko" <RedeemedSoftware@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:2uRUujZ5HHA.752@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>I wrote one myself that can be scheduled nightly... it isn't quite
>finished.
>
> =Dave
>
>
>
> "Jakob Kruse" <kruse@kruse-net.dk> wrote in message
> news:lmkuv3Y5HHA.2312@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>> Wouldn't it be nice if Electos (like Wordpress for instance, with the
>> right plugin) was capable of automatically generating the sitemap.xml
>> file on every change?
>>
>> /Jakob
>>
>>
>> "David Martinko" <RedeemedSoftware@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:ydkCDRQ1HHA.5548@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>>I read on Google's site that having a sitemap.xml will help it's robots
>>>properly search your site.
>>>
>>> =Dave
>>>
>>> "Roel.Westhoff[W4]" <roel.westhoff@wesmoll.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O%23jMrJO1HHA.6116@dacmail.dataaccess.com...
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I have a question about google page ranking in conjunction with a
>>>> dynamically build website based on a cms like Electos
>>>>
>>>> As far as i read on the internet Google crawls through pages and ranks
>>>> them based on the the links found to other pages on other sites. With a
>>>> static html -based website i can understand the way google crawls
>>>> through your website but my question is. How this process might work
>>>> with a dynamically created website based a cms. Is there a way to
>>>> influence this process?
>>>>
>>>> Can any one comment or fill me in
>>>>
>>>> Roel Westhoff
>>>> W4 Software & Consultancy BV
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>